You know, the problem with making a suggestion like that is that Prok might just take us up on it :P HE might think it’s great that JIRA becomes a bastion of free speech and sticking-it-to-the-man, but it would become utterly useless for anything BUT that, within a few days :P

“I am not normal”! ;)

I still think the “self-cleaning” mechanism JIRA has with a techie user base is pretty good. Proky’s rants and conspiracy theories aside, this JIRA *needs* knowledgeable people to do the cleaning-if being a good organiser and knowing about the inside workings of SL automatically makes you a conspirator, I wonder what Proky would do if you all just *left*. Heh.

You do a great job of leading by example, and I hope others follow it. With respect to greater Linden involvement in PJIRA, I think that will come. It’s certainly something I’ve been a strong advocate for. One obstacle is the relative newness of the system as well as reliability problems that just don’t rear their head as much with a private install. There are cultural issues as well that will just take time to get people used to, especially with the help of patient advocacy like this. These are all things that will improve over time.

With respect to policy clarifications, that’s on my todo list. At the risk of sounding like I’m making a joke here, please assign a JIRA task to me to make sure it’s documented somewhere, highlighting the areas that need clarification. A JIRA task is about as good a place as any to have the subsequent discussion prior to putting the policy into place.

Heck, even I once hijacked one of your issues and you could have kicked up equal fuzz over it, but you did not and life went on. I have not spent much time there lately, but when I did, I doubt that I ever saw an edit war there and much about what you say up there about the community correcting itself is true.

Being a bit cynical, even the hurdle it poses to most users isn’t a problem, because what gets through is still a good representation of the state of the software, just from a smaller sample.

What IS a problem though, is that everybody who fails to take that hurdle, walks away with a bad feeling, because at the moment the JIRA (besides the comments on the Linden blog) is the only outlet where people get at least in vicinity of being able to make themselves heard.

Almost every problem between residents at large and LL boils down to failed communication. Ensuring successful communication is mainly the Linden’s responsibility. Faulty communication always leads to irritation and friction.

Just make sure you don’t get caught in the middle or it will grind you into small bits.

I’ve argued with her a lot spanning over countless issues. I believe I closed one of the first issues she ever filed as a duplicate. It was in error, I think. And I did leave a kind note stating that if it was a mistake, to reopen it and accept my apology.

https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-2150

She left an acidic rant on the linked issue, of course. But has yet to reopen that one.

I do find her quite tiresome. She’s still demanding that she’s right about the issues she quoted, none of which display any abuse in the system. I don’t think she’s actually said lindens shouldn’t be able to close issues, yet. Though she’s implied everything but.

Throughout her arguments, she seems to be attacking ” a school of thought” and all lindens who support jira, or otherwise disagree with her.

She’s also been ranting about my issue here: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/MISC-57

Filed that back in march, asking for the useless, obsolete feature voting tool to be closed. She’s been ranting about how jira “sneaked in” and that noone knows anything about it, despite numerous linden blog posts. I noticed that the FVT has been closed, today. And closed the issue. I really can’t be bothered responging o her pages long rant on the subject.

I did take the liberty of pointing out one real example of abuse, on WEB-382. Which was subsequently reopened, and not closed again. She seems to have skirted around commenting on that at all.

She’s also mentioning the FVT constantly as if it were perfection. Yet it did not have

Comments
links
decent search
a fair voting system
support for providing patches
priorities
projects
categories
affects version
attachments

etc, etc. It’s not hard to see how jira is superior in so many ways.